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5:04 Sun Sep 28
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Hardly anyone seems to be mentioning the huge culpability of the South Yorkshire Police, their inadequate crowd control, their fatal lack of response to the post crush injured and their despicable deliberate massive cover up of their handling of the situation. Then too there is the the smearing by the Murdoch press [ mostly The Sun ] of the behaviour of the Liverpool fans aided and abetted by those very Police mostly responsible for the carnage.
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Pancho
4:49 Sun Sep 28
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Some of the views on this disaster show that the large majority of WHOers are neither football fans, nor frequently visiting football fans.
And fucking retarded too.
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The Joker
4:16 Sun Sep 28
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HairySpotter 1:28 Sat Sep 27
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You're right of course, but this scenario should have been anticipated by the authorities as the scousers were well known for it.
The failure of the authorities is that they badly mismanaged a terrible yet predictable situation resulting in almost 100 deaths. They were powerless to be able to manage 300 or however many pissed up fans at the gate, but tragically made bad decisions which which were in their control that affected more than the fans directly involved outside. They totally missed the bigger picture ie the fans already on the terraces.
The other aspect of the authorities failure is the lack of an adequate response to the disaster, hence the arguing over the time of death for all the victims being given as 3.07 (or whatever it was). Some of those fans were still alive at that point and may have been saved if there had been a sufficient response plan in place. The official time of death thing prevented a lot more questions being asked.
Apart from the deaths obviously, that is the most troubling aspect of Hillsbrough for me. Yes, the fans outside bear responsibility for triggering the disaster, but from that point on the authorities made terrible decisions and were allowed to carry out a shameless amount of arse-covering lies for years involving the emergency services and government.That in itself, is a national scandal.
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jack flash
11:13 Sun Sep 28
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Lets get this into perspective
We all glorify what happened in the South Bank in 1975 vs Manu
I arrived a bit late because of traffic on a long journey to the ground
All the gates were shut except one into the South Bank which had been forced open (apparently by our fans) & our fans were streaming in without having to pay
The crush was unbelievable as hundreds of Manu supporters got pushed forward on to the pitch
It was a miracle that nobody was killed at that match ~ down entirely to OUR supporters
That's how it was back then, so lets not be hypocritical about it
Nobody should die going to watch a football match
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WHU(Exeter)
2:00 Sun Sep 28
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That last question was rhetorical btw.
And best of luck with the beta blockers.
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WHU(Exeter)
1:50 Sun Sep 28
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Really?
I think it's the other way round.
I've never had beta blockers Side, nor had any doctors mention a need for me to take them.
is this your projection stuff again?
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Side of Ham
1:10 Sun Sep 28
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Ex, you're losing it I'd go and take a beater blocker as the nonsense you spout is getting silly.
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WHU(Exeter)
12:53 Sun Sep 28
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"In this thread about people in major patrts of England"
This thread isn't about that though, that was just your one post that introduced that subject for the thousandth time.
The thread is about a coppers take on Hillsborough Side, not your second hand knowledge of football in the 80s through your 'mates', nor a vehicle to carry on displaying your insecurities.
But let it all out anyway, threads on here often go in a multitude of directions.
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HairySpotter
1:28 Sat Sep 27
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Nobody should die at a football match but my opinion has always been that fuck loads of them turned up without tickets, scant regard for their fellow fans. They would stop at nothing to get in the ground then when it goes massively tits up they blame the old bill.
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Willtell
1:16 Sat Sep 27
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I know it's racist but Scousers really are scum imo. They don't get a reputation for nicking the hub caps off a car for nothing.... That's all.
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WHU(Exeter)
1:03 Sat Sep 27
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Bulphan
It will be mentioned forever.
The bloke has a lot of anger to get out.
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BulphanIron
1:00 Sat Sep 27
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You don't have a clue...
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Side of Ham
12:11 Sat Sep 27
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You may as well be a yank in this thread about areas of people in major parts of England.
*winks
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BulphanIron
12:03 Sat Sep 27
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Arse end of nowhere if you must.
'Butt' is abit yank...
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Side of Ham
11:51 Sat Sep 27
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Apologies Buttfucknowhereiron.
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BulphanIron
11:36 Sat Sep 27
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Not like you to mention East London Side?
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Side of Ham
11:14 Sat Sep 27
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Ron, however you want to state the days events at Hillsborough occurred, the fact of the matter is that the Wembley final was an opportunity to show total respect for those that died a few weeks before. It was a bow head and whilst the hearse goes by national event, THEY totally chose to not acknowledge that and have spent the next few decades blaming all around when they demonstrated the FIRST contempt, disrespect and non acknowledgement for what terrible tragedy had occurred... it was a chance for THEM to show humility and they did not show any that day.
It was a day to stop all the antics that all club's supporters had an element of, they showed their class by ignoring it and thinking of themselves and carry ing on as normal.
I like to think West Ham's support and also the East of London would always be better than that but for a few and not by the majority like them.
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Ricky Bobby
11:05 Sat Sep 27
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Fucking hell.... Scousers will be all over this!
*dons black armband*
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WHU(Exeter)
10:50 Sat Sep 27
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Ronald, bit of that, but then it was right behind the goal, at a time when there was a lot more of trying to get a spot behind the goal, than there is now. So as well as the funnelling you mention, there would also have been a fair percentage trying to get in that bit anyway, even though it was evident that it was going to be ram packed well before.
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WHU(Exeter)
10:41 Sat Sep 27
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If there had been fencing at Loftus Road, there would've been people crushed in our cup game in the 80s at QPR. Nowhere near the same scale, but reckon there'd been loads of 'near' Hillsboroughs over the years, as well as what happened at Burnden Park.
I remember the Wembley final stuff, tying scarves together, to scale up the outside. TV were commentating on it at the time, as if it was a bit of It's a knockout.
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Ronald_antly
10:35 Sat Sep 27
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Side of Ham
The problem at Hillsborough was not that there were too many people in the stadium, it was because too many were funneled into too small a section from which they were prevented from dispersing when overcrowding became a problem.
As for people getting in for nothing, this was not an unheard of practice at West Ham.
Heard of 2 for 1?
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